Comments on: Bibliographica – for the collaborative development of bibliographies http://jonathangray.org/2010/01/22/bibliographica/ Sat, 22 May 2010 17:04:02 +0000 hourly 1 By: Bibliographica: A New Project from the Open Knowledge Foundation: « ResourceShelf http://jonathangray.org/2010/01/22/bibliographica/comment-page-1/#comment-857 Bibliographica: A New Project from the Open Knowledge Foundation: « ResourceShelf Sat, 22 May 2010 17:04:02 +0000 http://jonathangray.org/?p=414#comment-857 <p>[...] itself, is a long-held dream of Jonathan Gray, OKF’s Community Coordinator – a commons of open data surrounding scholarly communications. [...]</p> [...] itself, is a long-held dream of Jonathan Gray, OKF’s Community Coordinator – a commons of open data surrounding scholarly communications. [...]

]]> By: Open Knowledge Foundation Blog » Blog Archive » Bibliographica, an Introduction http://jonathangray.org/2010/01/22/bibliographica/comment-page-1/#comment-849 Open Knowledge Foundation Blog » Blog Archive » Bibliographica, an Introduction Thu, 20 May 2010 19:59:48 +0000 http://jonathangray.org/?p=414#comment-849 <p>[...] itself, is a long-held dream of Jonathan Gray, OKF’s Community Coordinator - a commons of open data surrounding scholarly communications. [...]</p> [...] itself, is a long-held dream of Jonathan Gray, OKF’s Community Coordinator – a commons of open data surrounding scholarly communications. [...]

]]> By: Andrew Bruce http://jonathangray.org/2010/01/22/bibliographica/comment-page-1/#comment-672 Andrew Bruce Sat, 27 Mar 2010 11:54:37 +0000 http://jonathangray.org/?p=414#comment-672 <p>Hey Jonny,</p> <p>Been a while. Liking the ideas. I recently worked on a story-based system for the beeb, and have a few chums interested in and working with RDF and linked data. Since I'm looking for a meaty pro bono project, wouldn't mind talking more about this.</p> <p>Good to see you, albeit in digital form,</p> <p>'Sven'</p> Hey Jonny,

Been a while. Liking the ideas. I recently worked on a story-based system for the beeb, and have a few chums interested in and working with RDF and linked data. Since I’m looking for a meaty pro bono project, wouldn’t mind talking more about this.

Good to see you, albeit in digital form,

‘Sven’

]]> By: Iain Emsley http://jonathangray.org/2010/01/22/bibliographica/comment-page-1/#comment-649 Iain Emsley Sun, 21 Mar 2010 11:46:27 +0000 http://jonathangray.org/?p=414#comment-649 <p>Hi Jonathan, </p> <p>I agree with Felix regarding the linked data. </p> <p>For me, the most important thing are interfaces which allow systems to interact and for users/sites to exchange data. That, to me, should be a core thing for the project.</p> <p>Iain</p> Hi Jonathan,

I agree with Felix regarding the linked data.

For me, the most important thing are interfaces which allow systems to interact and for users/sites to exchange data. That, to me, should be a core thing for the project.

Iain

]]> By: Ben O'Steen http://jonathangray.org/2010/01/22/bibliographica/comment-page-1/#comment-637 Ben O'Steen Wed, 17 Mar 2010 14:05:22 +0000 http://jonathangray.org/?p=414#comment-637 <p>I would have to add that FRBR/RDA isn't a good thing to base a system like this on - I am incredulous when I was shown the amount of descriptive repetition at all the levels in their model. It was as if each record (Work, Manifestation, etc) should stand alone, like a MARC record, rather than reference and rely on metadata held at other levels of the model.</p> <p>Compatible on import and perhaps on export, but I wouldn't base a system on it!</p> I would have to add that FRBR/RDA isn’t a good thing to base a system like this on – I am incredulous when I was shown the amount of descriptive repetition at all the levels in their model. It was as if each record (Work, Manifestation, etc) should stand alone, like a MARC record, rather than reference and rely on metadata held at other levels of the model.

Compatible on import and perhaps on export, but I wouldn’t base a system on it!

]]> By: Owen Stephens http://jonathangray.org/2010/01/22/bibliographica/comment-page-1/#comment-579 Owen Stephens Wed, 24 Feb 2010 13:54:07 +0000 http://jonathangray.org/?p=414#comment-579 <p>You may want to also look at the work that the software company Talis have been doing with their 'Aspire' product. They use the bibliontology (bibo) as suggested by Felix, but alongside this they have also created a 'resource list' ontology to enable lists of resources to be created and managed (http://vocab.org/resourcelist/schema). This thread on the bibo google group may be of interest http://groups.google.com/group/bibliographic-ontology-specification-group/browse_thread/thread/9122033c79ed5337?fwc=1&pli=1</p> You may want to also look at the work that the software company Talis have been doing with their ‘Aspire’ product. They use the bibliontology (bibo) as suggested by Felix, but alongside this they have also created a ‘resource list’ ontology to enable lists of resources to be created and managed (http://vocab.org/resourcelist/schema). This thread on the bibo google group may be of interest http://groups.google.com/group/bibliographic-ontology-specification-group/browse_thread/thread/9122033c79ed5337?fwc=1&pli=1

]]> By: Bibliographica – open bibliographic sourcing and maintenance « The Aust Gate http://jonathangray.org/2010/01/22/bibliographica/comment-page-1/#comment-500 Bibliographica – open bibliographic sourcing and maintenance « The Aust Gate Sun, 24 Jan 2010 11:37:00 +0000 http://jonathangray.org/?p=414#comment-500 <p>[...] has a thought provoking post on the need for an Open Bibliographic Service which he calls Bibliographica. As he writes: lists of publications are an absolutely critical part of scholarship. They [...]</p> [...] has a thought provoking post on the need for an Open Bibliographic Service which he calls Bibliographica. As he writes: lists of publications are an absolutely critical part of scholarship. They [...]

]]> By: Tweets that mention Bibliographica - for the collaborative development of bibliographies -- Topsy.com http://jonathangray.org/2010/01/22/bibliographica/comment-page-1/#comment-499 Tweets that mention Bibliographica - for the collaborative development of bibliographies -- Topsy.com Sun, 24 Jan 2010 01:38:52 +0000 http://jonathangray.org/?p=414#comment-499 <p>[...] This post was mentioned on Twitter by Jonathan Gray and Iain Emsley, whitney trettien. whitney trettien said: RT @jwyg: New project for collaboratively developing bibliographies: seeking comments/collaborators! http://bit.ly/6nwxnS #digitalhumanities [...]</p> [...] This post was mentioned on Twitter by Jonathan Gray and Iain Emsley, whitney trettien. whitney trettien said: RT @jwyg: New project for collaboratively developing bibliographies: seeking comments/collaborators! http://bit.ly/6nwxnS #digitalhumanities [...]

]]> By: Felix http://jonathangray.org/2010/01/22/bibliographica/comment-page-1/#comment-498 Felix Sat, 23 Jan 2010 11:52:15 +0000 http://jonathangray.org/?p=414#comment-498 <p>Hi Jonathan!</p> <p>In short: I definitely like the idea, but I would base the whole thing on linked data.</p> <p><cite>This would be, to the greatest extent possible, based on and compatible with existing bibliographic data standards including MARC, FRBR and Dublin Core.</cite></p> <p>It might be important to be compatible with MARC data in some way, but putting it at the core of an application would probably be a <a href="http://www.libraryjournal.com/article/CA250046.html" rel="nofollow">bad idea</a>. It looks like <a href="http://www.rdaonline.org/" rel="nofollow">RDA</a> is <a href="http://metadataregistry.org/rdabrowse.htm" rel="nofollow">getting somewhere</a> these days, and it incorporates FRBR (which I would argue is not a data standard but more of an abstract model). The <a href="http://bibliontology.com/" rel="nofollow">bibliographic ontology</a> is an alternative that embeds Dublin Core, FOAF etc. <a href="http://libris.kb.se/" rel="nofollow">LIBRIS</a>, the Swedish Union Catalogue <a href="http://blog.libris.kb.se/semweb/?p=7" rel="nofollow">uses it</a> to provide their bibliographic data as linked data. Hopefully more big library catalogues will follow that lead! That would provide Bibliographica with an enormous bibliographic data base, so that the users could focus on "Lists, lists and more lists"!</p> <p>Felix</p> Hi Jonathan!

In short: I definitely like the idea, but I would base the whole thing on linked data.

This would be, to the greatest extent possible, based on and compatible with existing bibliographic data standards including MARC, FRBR and Dublin Core.

It might be important to be compatible with MARC data in some way, but putting it at the core of an application would probably be a bad idea. It looks like RDA is getting somewhere these days, and it incorporates FRBR (which I would argue is not a data standard but more of an abstract model). The bibliographic ontology is an alternative that embeds Dublin Core, FOAF etc. LIBRIS, the Swedish Union Catalogue uses it to provide their bibliographic data as linked data. Hopefully more big library catalogues will follow that lead! That would provide Bibliographica with an enormous bibliographic data base, so that the users could focus on “Lists, lists and more lists”!

Felix

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